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valiue desizion on river

Discussion in 'Texas Holdem Hand Discussion' started by Daggo, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. Daggo

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    Hand History for Game 2970355930 (Prima)
    $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday , November 19 , 10:41:08 ET 2009
    Table DeepStack4 (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Seat 1: shuvit1 ( $145.49 USD )
    Seat 2: roda0202 ( $57.15 USD )
    Seat 3: geir89 ( $30.18 USD )
    Seat 4: wickedstep ( $96.81 USD )
    Seat 5: bommm338 ( $100.50 USD )
    Seat 6: Hero ( $57.02 USD )
    wickedstep posts small blind $0.25 .
    bommm338 posts big blind $0.50 .

    Dealt to Hero: :Ks: :Kc:
    Hero raises $1.50
    shuvit1 folds
    roda0202 folds
    geir89 folds
    wickedstep calls $1.25
    bommm338 folds


    FLOP ($3.50)
    :4c: :Th: :Kh:
    wickedstep checks
    Hero bets $2.25
    wickedstep calls $2.25


    TURN ($8.00)
    :7c:
    wickedstep checks
    Hero bets $6.00
    wickedstep calls $6.00


    RIVER ($20.00)
    :Js:
    wickedstep bets $20.00

    the guy is callin station 60 5 he is ch caling here with all sorts of draws - iv seen him only bet big whit hand close to the nuts - my question here what do you think of shove here, i think that he is incapable of beting when hi misses his draw so he can maybe have a two pair or he got his gut ... do you just call or you shove it?
     
  2. Daggo

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    the flop cbet is small i just noticed
     
  3. D_Zoo

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    well u have to max value vs his range. His range here is just so wide u can't assume he can call a shove. Timing tells would help here if he is insta calling then I would be more likely to jam. If he takes his time I would value bet more. If his stats were less fishy (meaning narrower range) I would be more likely to jam.

    Also some fish will pay off non jams all the time but become giant nits when faced with an actual all in. SO leaving them a bit of money seems to work well. U can play around witht hat
     
  4. Daggo

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    yep i have noticed that about not puting them all the way allin so i just min razed him --

    i didn't understand what you mean with "Timing tells would help here if he is insta calling then I would be more likely to jam."

    if he instacaled end insta leaded the board then you'll jam? - why whats the difference
     
  5. Zografa

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    omfg i love the title of the thread
     
  6. D_Zoo

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    oh shit i didnt even realize he led the river my bad

    yeah shove that all day haha
    Take my advice if he checked =)
    I thought u were asking instead of us betting 20 (which I thought happened here) should we overbet shove.
     
  7. Daggo

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    ty man
     
  8. dreamtech

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    easiest shove :)
     
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    Well depends on what kind of hands does he tend to donkbet like that but its mostly a shove
    Also if he likes to c/c a lot this donkbet looks very weird
     

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