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KK OOP - bad turn

Discussion in 'Texas Holdem Hand Discussion' started by Dexter08, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. Dexter08

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    Hand History for Game 3606211635 (Prima)
    $200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday , November 03 , 10:42:28 ET 2010
    Table DeepStack 138 (Real Money)
    Seat 2 is the button
    Seat 1: MezCalito ( $274.52 USD )
    Seat 2: Stencca ( $137.65 USD )
    Seat 3: Hero ( $257.45 USD )
    Seat 4: Ponti_ ( $235.25 USD )
    Seat 5: DukeOffSwe ( $420.55 USD )
    Seat 6: moscafly ( $303.05 USD )
    Hero posts small blind $1.00 .
    Ponti_ posts big blind $2.00 .

    Dealt to Hero: :Kh: :Ks:
    DukeOffSwe calls $2.00
    moscafly folds
    MezCalito calls $2.00
    Stencca folds
    Hero raises $10.00
    Ponti_ folds
    DukeOffSwe calls $9.00
    MezCalito calls $9.00


    FLOP ($35.00)
    :9s: :Qh: :3h:
    Hero bets $24.00
    DukeOffSwe folds
    MezCalito calls $24.00


    TURN ($83.00)
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    Hero checks
    MezCalito bets $60.00

    Villain is a good reg running 22/17/3.3 AF. This turn is pretty bad in my opinion so I check it then he bets really big - what on earth is his range here? Should I have just b/f turn?
     
  2. Make2Plays

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    Looks liek a standard spot for him to float you, then bet any turn if you check. I can't imagine folding being a good line here with an overpair and gutshot. What do you think he has here that beats you - two pair? A made straight? A set? Those are part of his range, sure, but so is AJ, any two heart hands, AT, TT, AQ. I think you can pot control call here and evaluate the river.
     
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    What do you think is his limping range ?
     
  4. Dexter08

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    I just have no idea what his limping range is here - I would sort of assume pocket pairs, suited connectors etc but really not sure. That said, this board doesnt really hit him too hard so maybe I cant get away from it on the turn.
     
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    Yeah, c/f is too weak. It's pretty rare spot nowadays to see reg overlimping (I guess he didn't think he'll get raised a lot behind). On flop I doubt he's floating 8Ts here (maybe 8Tss). 33 and Q9 should raise flop decent amount of the time. I doubt there many QJ combos - I think he'll iso a lot with them. It's gonna be a tough decision on most rivers...
     
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    Hows about we just ck/ship turn then? As you say, after we c/c turn river is really tough. He has made it real big on turn as well so we could def get it in pretty good due to him being committed.
     
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    Seems like a bad idea. He isn't committed at all. If you call pot is 100bbs and you have ~80bbs left. You overrep your hand and he will only call with hands that beat you (except JThh or sth - if he's betting the turn with it ...).

    Your decision will be easier but that's not the point of playing good poker.

    I think you have to call turn and call non heart rivers (maybe A too). By checking you're capping your range and he can think you're folding KQ, maybe AQ on the river and turning hands like 9x into a bluff.
     
  8. Wonderful

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    they both regs
    this is so wierd
    i still think std b/f is best on turn
     
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    make it 12-14 pre, 30 on flop, c/f this turn
     
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    go in depth for the turn, please :)
     
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    obv turn is the best card for villains range?
     
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    You think he's overlimping w KT and QJ ? Especially offsuit ? His value range is really narrow here.
     
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    well mezcalito is not that good ....he have sirious leaks ...like this one write here :) ahah
    10 is ok pre ....your flop bet is very small I'll make it like 28 ...and I'll bet the turn because turn helps not only his shoving range but his calling range also ...so I think bet/fold turn is supirior here :)
    one more think u have 130bb + effective so betting turn puts him in tought spot with JT,t9,qt and all pair +draw type of hands ...he must call with that and he's rr get it in range is not so big .... so I like bet on the turn
     

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