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bad decision on turn ?

Discussion in 'Omaha Hand Discussion' started by Camael, Aug 7, 2010.

  1. Camael

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    Game # 1812570973 - Omaha High Pot Limit EUR 0 ,10/0 ,20 - Table "Sakai"
    Game ended 2010-08-07 01:37:17 GMT+01:00

    Players:
    orik007 (EUR 58 ,73 in seat 1)
    ipplaf (EUR 18 ,80 in seat 2)
    Gooordon (EUR 34 ,22 in seat 4)
    ggandnt (EUR 23 ,19 in seat 5)
    RapeBackPlz (EUR 37 ,03 in seat 6)

    Dealer: ipplaf
    Small Blind: Gooordon (0 ,10)
    Big Blind: ggandnt (0 ,20)

    ipplaf was dealt: - - -

    RapeBackPlz Fold
    orik007 Raise (0 ,70)
    ipplaf Raise (2 ,40)
    Gooordon Fold
    ggandnt Call (2 ,20)
    orik007 Call (1 ,70)

    Flop - -

    ggandnt Check
    orik007 Check
    ipplaf Check

    Turn

    ggandnt Bet (4 ,00)
    orik007 Fold
    ipplaf All-In (16 ,40)
    ggandnt Call (12 ,40)

    River

    ggandnt shows:

    - - - (two pairs , jacks and fours)
    ipplaf shows:

    - - - (high card king)


    ggandnt wins: EUR 38 ,10 (with two pairs , jacks and fours)
    Rake: EUR 2 ,00

    on turn i put him on set J/T or 2 pairs...i think my dominated fd made me reraise him.
    Seems i should call turn..and see what comes on river
     
  2. ThuNDeR

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    not too into PLO,but I hardly believe that anyone could comment on this hand appropriately given that there are no cards shown :) could be wrong though
     
  3. vladimir0v

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    Please repost the hand, so that the cards can be seen.
    The Hand History is probably ruined or needs to be re-formatted.
     
  4. Camael

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    Game # 1812570973 - Omaha High Pot Limit EUR 0,10/0,20 - Table "Sakai"
    Game ended 2010-08-07 01:37:17 GMT+01:00

    Players:
    orik007 (EUR 58,73 in seat 1)
    ipplaf (EUR 18,80 in seat 2)
    Gooordon (EUR 34,22 in seat 4)
    ggandnt (EUR 23,19 in seat 5)
    RapeBackPlz (EUR 37,03 in seat 6)

    Dealer: ipplaf
    Small Blind: Gooordon (0,10)
    Big Blind: ggandnt (0,20)

    ipplaf was dealt: Kh - 7d - Qh - 9d

    RapeBackPlz Fold
    orik007 Raise (0,70)
    ipplaf Raise (2,40)
    Gooordon Fold
    ggandnt Call (2,20)
    orik007 Call (1,70)

    Flop 3h - Td - 4d

    ggandnt Check
    orik007 Check
    ipplaf Check

    Turn Jc

    ggandnt Bet (4,00)
    orik007 Fold
    ipplaf All-In (16,40)
    ggandnt Call (12,40)

    River 2c

    ggandnt shows: 4c - Qd - 6c - Jd (two pairs, jacks and fours)
    ipplaf shows: Kh - 7d - Qh - 9d (high card king)


    ggandnt wins: EUR 38,10 (with two pairs, jacks and fours)
    Rake: EUR 2,00

    im sorry about that..and couldn't find "edit" button...i also want to ask - can i lead flop or check is good
     
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  5. Botafogo

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    If you know your opponents to be passive and not to c/r much, then you should bet the flop to try to take it down, and even if called you can see a lot of great turns and continue barreling or value bet with a good hand or check back to try to realize your equity on river.

    If you think that the opponents are aggressive and have tendency to c/raise on flop, then checking back is excellent because your hand has SOOO many good turn cards, which will bring you a lot of backdoor potential, so it's great to see a turn with your hand. A diamond, a J, 6, 8, and an Ace are all good cards for you, so this is 9+12 cards = 21 cards, so you will be able to continue on at least 42% of turns.

    I think you made a mistake raising on the turn. With his bet/size and stack to pot ratio, I do nto think you have fold equity when you push allin, and you have position so there is no reason to raise. You have enough equity to call turn and play the hand correctly on any river with position. There is no reason to raise on turn when we don't have any made hand yet. If you were deeper and you could threaten his stack by raising that would make more sense because you are adding some fold equity to your already massive draw, but not in this case in my opinion. If you felt like his bet of 4 was weak and he might fold, then it's ok to go allin, but he is betting into 2 players in a re-raised pot, I doubt that he doesn't have a strong hand.
     
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