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[4n]4b Deep pot

Discussion in 'Texas Holdem Hand Discussion' started by Deizoo, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. Deizoo

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    Hand History for Game 3582878672 (Prima)
    $400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday , October 21 , 01:16:46 ET 2010
    Table Ante 301 800 Max (Real Money)
    Seat 1 is the button
    Seat 1: Hero ( $834.06 USD )
    Seat 2: Moonwatcher ( $1230.78 USD )
    Seat 3: FetSumo ( $672.38 USD )
    Seat 4: user01 ( $1400.10 USD )
    Seat 5: MillionairenowTY ( $925.20 USD )
    Seat 6: chiliswillis ( $254.32 USD )
    Moonwatcher posts ante of $0.40 .
    FetSumo posts ante of $0.40 .
    user01 posts ante of $0.40 .
    MillionairenowTY posts ante of $0.40 .
    chiliswillis posts ante of $0.40 .
    Hero posts ante of $0.40 .
    Moonwatcher posts small blind $2.00 .
    FetSumo posts big blind $4.00 .

    Dealt to Hero: :Kd: :Ac:
    user01 raises $14.00
    MillionairenowTY folds
    chiliswillis calls $14.00
    Hero raises $62.00
    Moonwatcher folds
    FetSumo folds
    user01 raises $153.00
    chiliswillis folds
    Hero calls $105.00


    FLOP ($354.00)
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    user01 bets $167.00
    Hero calls $167.00


    TURN ($688.00)
    :6s:
    user01 bets $1065.30

    holllla grinders ,

    Villian is decent running 22/19/9 with high aggr freq.But he is not a very crazy to barrel a ton.
    Notes - 3b ip small-medium pairs.
    He 4bet a lot.

    We play for a first time in deep table.
    He was so active on this tables for 40ish hands.

    My call on turn costs 125 blinds.And I'm invested 83.
    I think with TT/44 he will prob call pf .

    Can its be some flush draw + gut ? Or A4 AT ?
    What you think ? I hit good hand on this bord but is it enough to call ?
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2010
  2. Make2Plays

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    I think there is a good chance you are chopping. Hard to believe he would be fourbetting there with 44, AT, A4 though i guess it is possible. Most likely hands that have you crushed are TT and AA.

    SPR is only 2. You should probably have just committed on the flop if you were going to play the hand. As played I can't imagine folding.
     
  3. Pro2type

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    Well if he 4bet a lot - 200bb is the best spot for him to 4bet so if you dont want to play for stacks pre I guess the call is option too. Way played stack-off on turn is not a bad idea imo
     
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    I think if you are unwilling to play for stacks pre with this hand when 4bet you should fold pre.
     
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    I ment not to 3bet him just to call him pre and to play for small pot :)
     
  6. Deizoo

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    @Make2Plays -Im not affraid to paly for stacks. I just didnt see reason to get in vs UTG open for 209 blinds.Or fold in position vs him 4b which is high percent.I guess i will flat him 4b 80% on the time with all my top range too.
    @Niki - i didnt know .. to flat btn for a family pot with AK..its not with high EV i guess :)
     
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    What I'm saying is this deep I'm not sure I like your three bet. i might call his original raise in position this deep. IT allows you to control the size of hte pot every step of the way. Even if the hand is multiway, with the stacks this deep that might be preferable. If you do three bet, you are creating a large pot for a ahnd where you will flop air or TPTK. Once the pot is this big, you have to be willing to commit with TPTK or you should have folded to his four-bet.
     
  8. Zografa

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    ugh ugly spot.. i guess you are chopping most of the time with some possible setups when he has AA or AsKs(i dont think he will ever 4b TT oop deep) and sometimes you can even be ahead(not very ofthen:()

    and i dont really know if i call 4b and get that board im going with my hand most of the time
     
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    @ Zografa - It is interesting to me what you think about it 5bet and get in with AK deep ?
     
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    its ok to flat with position(you also squeezed so u look more bluffy) and getting that flop is the best thing that can happen to you, only bad thing is that 22/19 is actually a nit who is undercover so the situation is not "HAPPY SNAPPY" but more like oooooh well snap
     
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    I call and he showed AKo for split.
    But im not sure about my play...
     

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