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Discussion in 'Покер ръце' started by Brobebrato, Aug 28, 2014.

  1. Brobebrato

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    PokerStars Hand #120697541640: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2014/08/28 2:16:20 EET 2014/08/27 19:16:20 ET
    Table 'Dejanira' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: zero All-in ($459.50 in chips)
    Seat 5: Hero ($400 in chips)
    zero All-in: posts small blind $2
    Hero: posts big blind $4



    Dealt to Hero: :4c: :3c:
    zero All-in: raises $5 to $9
    Hero: raises $21 to $30
    pmatt0 leaves the table
    zero All-in: calls $21

    FLOP
    :5c: :2d: :Qh:
    Hero: bets $29.75
    zero All-in: calls $29.75

    TURN
    :5c: :2d: :Qh: :6d:
    Hero: bets $76
    zero All-in: calls $76

    RIVER
    :5c: :2d: :Qh: :6d: :Jh:
    Hero: bets $264.25 and is all-in
    zero All-in: calls $264.25
    SHOW DOWN
    Hero: shows :4c: :3c: (a straight , Deuce to Six)
    zero All-in: shows :8d: :8c: (a pair of Eights)
    Hero collected $799.50 from pot
    SUMMARY
    Total pot $800 | Rake $0.50
    Board :5c: :2d: :Qh: :6d: :Jh:
    Seat 2: zero All-in (button) (small blind) showed:
    :8d: :8c: and lost with a pair of Eights
    Seat 5: Hero (big blind) showed:
    :4c: :3c: and won ($799.50) with a straight , Deuce to Six

    PokerStars Hand #120697621134: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2014/08/28 2:18:21 EET 2014/08/27 19:18:21 ET
    Table 'Dejanira' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: zero All-in ($400 in chips)
    Seat 5: Hero ($803.50 in chips)
    zero All-in: posts small blind $2
    Hero: posts big blind $4



    Dealt to Hero: :Qs: :9s:
    zero All-in: raises $6 to $10
    Hero: raises $22 to $32
    zero All-in: raises $38 to $70
    Hero: calls $38

    FLOP
    :Td: :8s: :Tc:
    Hero: checks
    zero All-in: bets $80
    Hero: calls $80

    TURN
    :Td: :8s: :Tc: :7c:
    Hero: checks
    zero All-in: checks

    RIVER
    :Td: :8s: :Tc: :7c: :Ah:
    Hero: bets $653.50 and is all-in
    zero All-in: calls $250 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet ($403.50) returned to Hero
    SHOW DOWN
    Hero: shows :Qs: :9s: (a pair of Tens)
    zero All-in: shows :Ac: :4h: (two pair , Aces and Tens)
    zero All-in collected $799.50 from pot
    SUMMARY
    Total pot $800 | Rake $0.50
    Board :Td: :8s: :Tc: :7c: :Ah:
    Seat 2: zero All-in (button) (small blind) showed:
    :Ac: :4h: and won ($799.50) with two pair , Aces and Tens
    Seat 5: Hero (big blind) showed:
    :Qs: :9s: and lost with a pair of Tens

    2 ryce , sit out ... eh toq trqq go pratime na coaching

    :))
    koi go kefi 2rata XS flopa ?
     
  2. Zografa

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    никой?
     
  3. Seth

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    Лийд алл ин търна на всяка 6ца, 7ца или пика обв.
     
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    Излиза, че ако имаме само 20% екуити срещу колинг рейнджа му на търна, ни трябват само 12% фолд екуити за да ни е леко +ev опън шова. Така ли е или ми е грешна математиката? :)
     
  5. Hades

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    ч/минрайз флоп? :Д или донк?
     
  6. Seth

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    Грешка, трябва ни 23% фолд екуити за брейк евън опън шов.
     
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    Broish li che check ne e ev0
     
  8. Seth

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    Насе знам, че чек не е ев0, но не знам как изглежда рейнджа му и кое ще чеква, за да знам точно колко +ев е и да ги сравня.
    Логиката ми е, че ако опън шовнем, той може да фолдне Q9 или А4 и да принтираме пари. А ако ние чекнем му даваме шанс да ги шовне, ние да фолднем и той да принтира пари.
    Също каква е идеята на чек мини/рейз флоп, да го индуснем да шовне по-слабо?
     
  9. getbigboy

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    Ochevidno mojem da go natisnem na tozi flop, tui kato imame poveche Tx ot nego, no lichno na men check/raise ne mi haresva pri polojenie che ni ostavat malko pari otzad, 150bb+ e ok. Prichinata e, chisto psihologi4eska, che stesnqvame nashiq i reindja na protivnika i shte pravi mnogo po-malko greshki ot kolkoto ako izpolzvame donk strategiq, Spored men za 100bb 4bet pot donk e mnogo po podhodqshto

    edit: sega vidqh che pitash za x/shove. E bro, kak shte go zatrudnish s x/shove kato toi prosto shte smetne i shte si colne s top edi kolko si procenta ot reindja i mu eazy game :)
     
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  10. Brobebrato

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    sled 1vata ryka imah mnogo symneniq v umeniqta mu, i ne misleh 4e osyznava ranga mi na toq flop. Inache donk me kefi :)

    Seth, vpredvid flopa ne vijdam smisyl da vzimame iniciativata na turna, a i syshto si mislq 4e ako shipva A4o na turna printirame dosta pari :)

    Ogi, da i az ne mislq 4e XS e optimalno :), no inache
    tova ne mi se struva dobyr argument, 1vo e mnogo subektivno kak shte si smetne range-a i shte igrae optimalno sprqmo XS (pri polojenie 4e horata ne mogat da si smqtat calling range v dosta po common situaci) + 4e mislq 4e shte e dosta nebalansiran v otigravaneto si ( i 4isto exploitativino misleh 4e 6te overcallva).
    2ro ne mislq 4e situaciq v koqto imame polqriziran raising range vs bluffcatcheri moje da e losha/lesna za oponenta.

    inache e qsno 4e ne ni trqbva osoben protection na flopa i 4e lesno shte vkarame parite natatyk.

    V kraina smetka osyznah 4e na turna ima golqm shans da spre s blufovete si a i o4akvam da betva random asa na flopa + tova 4e neznam kakvo FE imam na flopa.

    Nasko, zashto xminr ? o4akvash da foldva poveche na turna s AK type stuff na 36-37% PSB v sravnenie s flop XS (koeto mi se struva taka) + ne o4akvash da ti shipva na flopa i da gubime equity na ryce kato QJ/Q9 (koeto mislq 4e 6te se nashiva dostaty4no golqm % overpairs tyi kato si misli 4e e comitnat, za da pravi XS po dobyr za range-a ni).
     

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